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Hands0n
7th November 2006, 12:03 AM
Or, in other words, how to make people really fed up with it.

I wonder if this will only encourage those who originally bought into MSN Music take a serious look inward and shift over to the Apple iPod instead. If this were me I'd certainly be considering very carefully any further "investment" in Microsoft product in the form of the Zune.

The article states below that "Microsoft's strategy for Zune replicates that of Apple's iPod - to control both the device and music service.". If this is so, then why bother with Zune at all? It is mostly untested, the buyer is taking a bit of a leap into the dark. However, with the Apple iPod there is an established and rich environment of content, player equipment and support software.

So what is the motivation to go for a Zune instead? Brand loyalty? Daft if you ask me, surely its best to buy what suits rather than through some loyalty (has M$ been loyal to its MSN Music customers in this case??).

Read on and tell us what you think. Has M$ done itself a disservice here, and will it alienate itself from its customers?



People who have bought music from Microsoft's MSN Music store could face problems if they decide to buy the firm's new Zune portable player.

Microsoft has said it will stop selling music from MSN music from 14 November, when Zune goes on sale in the US.

But in a move that could alienate some customers, MSN-bought tracks will not be compatible with the new gadget.

The move could also spell problems for the makers of MP3 players which are built to work with the MSN store.

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The problem has arisen because tracks from the MSN Music site are compatible with the specifications of the Plays For Sure initiative.

This was intended to re-assure consumers as it guaranteed that music bought from services backing it would work with players that supported it. MSN Music, Napster, AOL Music Now and Urge all backed Plays For Sure as did many players from hardware makers such as Archos, Creative, Dell and Iriver.

In a statement a Microsoft spokesperson said: "Since Zune is a separate offering that is not part of the Plays For Sure ecosystem, Zune content is not supported on Plays For Sure devices."

The spokesperson continued: "We will not be performing compatibility testing for non-Zune devices, and we will not make changes to our software to ensure compatibility with non-Zune devices."

The changes to MSN Music do not mean that users will no longer be able to listen to the music they have bought via the store. Users will be able to burn files to a CD for their own use or put them on "compatible players".

Microsoft said that its Windows Media Player will recognise Zune content which might make it possible to put the content on a Plays For Sure device. However, it said it would not provide customer support to anyone attempting this.

'In a bind'


When Microsoft launched the MSN Music store in 2004, it hoped to compete with Apple.

But the service failed to make a dent in Apple's huge share of the online music market, and the company has now turned to a different tactic.

Microsoft's strategy for Zune replicates that of Apple's iPod - to control both the device and music service.

From 14 November, customers on the MSN Music store site will now be redirected to Zune Marketplace or, as part of a 2005 legal settlement where Microsoft agreed that no music service would receive greater promotion than RealNetworks, Real Rhapsody.

MSN Music store, the company said, would now be used for hosting live concerts, interviews with bands, and other music related-content.

In addition to causing problems for existing MSN-customers hoping to transfer files to the Zune player, the move could also leave users and manufacturers of other Plays For Sure compatible devices out in the cold.

In his blog, Jupiter Research technology analyst Michael Gartenberg said: "While it's not like there's a lot of folks that actually bought music from the MSN music store, it would seem those folks are in a bind.

"If they start buying from Zune, they will need to get to get a new Zune device, and their existing music won't go with them.

"If they go to Rhapsody, new stuff they purchase likely won't work on devices they currently own either, but at least a new Rhapsody compatible device will also allow them to play their old content."

"I'm surprised Microsoft didn't try to offer something like replacement for existing content in either Rhapsody or Zune formats."

Users of the Zune marketplace will be able to buy tracks individually or download unlimited tracks using a subscription fee.

Microsoft hopes the player's features, such as the ability to share music over wi-fi, will be its unique selling point.

The software giant said it would commit millions of dollars to making Zune a success but acknowledged it could take a long time for that success to become apparent.

Article Source: BBC Technology News (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6120272.stm)

Ben
7th November 2006, 09:32 AM
I don't understand this move. Why not just leave MSN Music and it's Plays for Sure content completely alone, supporting all those existing customers and big MP3 player manufacturers who have invested in the concept, and launch the Zune store as something entirely separate?

I don't understand why MS has to interfere with the MSN store at all.

I'm extremely glad I got out of the Windows Media DRM ecosystem. Apple's iTunes DRM is much more straightforward, but for the most part I just buy CD's and rip them like the majority do.

Yssybyl
7th November 2006, 04:27 PM
Absolutely in agreement on the cd front. I still have a large collection of CDs - completely portable accross devices, and with cd wow offerring then for 6.99 it's cheaper than some iTunes albums...

Although allofmp3.com have a much cheaper offerring for music downloads...

I remember Microsoft touting "Plays for sure" and how this would benefit customers. personally, backward compatibility is the way forward - it stops you umming and ahhing about whether to buy or not...

Ben
7th November 2006, 04:34 PM
If only allofmp3 were legal! :(

teclo
9th November 2006, 03:25 PM
I have to admit, I have been tempted by the Zune. It seems like a nice machine, it has potential, unfortunately 30 gig is too little capacity for me these days.

I had a 40 gig Ipod which was 80-85% full before I dropped it, and since then I've been limited to a 2gig Nano. Great for the gym, but it is annoying not to have my complete collection available. Although these days I have worked out some good playlists, but they aren't 100% full proof, far from it and I hear the same tunes day in day out.

If the Zune had a larger capacity like the 80gig Ipod, then I would go for it. The new G5 Ipod design doesn't look right to me.

The drm rights issue; Fairplay, Plays for Sure, Zune specific, whatever doesn't bother me as I've ripped everything I need. I've bought a bunch of iTunes tracks but nothing that I would miss losing.

Just so you know I'm on my third Ipod having had a G1 ( which still works quite well ) a G4 and currently a Nano but I would go for a Zune if it had more capacity.

Ben
9th November 2006, 06:39 PM
Well, I want to call you crazy and hit you with things, but then I remember that Apple is just a company like any other and Microsofts Zune may well be lovely...

...yeah, go get yourself an 80GB iPod ;)

Hands0n
9th November 2006, 09:52 PM
I got myself an 80GB iPod and loving every moment using it. The interaction with iTunes is staggeringly simple. Zune will have to go some - will they update MediaPlayer to do the job of managing the data on the Zune or will they rely on the Zune's own interface for management?

I remain completely agnostic to any one technology company and advise anyone who will listen to be the same. There is no point having any "brand loyalty" - it has to be a case of what fits best. Right now, for me, it is the Apple portfolio of iTunes and iPod - and I have to say that it has been the best MP3 player experience that I've ever had.

Regarding content, like many above I [too] RIP anything I want on my media player. The only Apple Store music content that I have bought has been via the Coca Cola free iTunes promotion that they have been running of late. At £0.79p a track, which is too expensive by half, Apple will have to do without my business for their content.

teclo
10th November 2006, 08:31 AM
I remain completely agnostic to any one technology company and advise anyone who will listen to be the same. There is no point having any "brand loyalty" - it has to be a case of what fits best. Right now, for me, it is the Apple portfolio of iTunes and iPod - and I have to say that it has been the best MP3 player experience that I've ever had.

Exactly what I wanted to say. When I bought my first iPod, I had no other Apple hardware, I bought it because it had massive (for the time) capacity of 5 gig in a small compact, almost fag packet size. The most comparable players at the time being the Creative and Archos units which used 2.5 inch laptop drives and weighed the same as a brick. The Archos unit was also ugly as hell.

The iPod on the other hand looked amazing, simple lines, simple to use, and it worked without thinking about it. Anyone actually use the other players? I tried using an Archos thing in PC World and was amazed anyone could actually use it.

These days, I still don't have any other Apple hardware, and I'm still using an Ipod because it just works without any mucking about. I don't want to watch video on it, I don't want to play games either, I just want to sit down, "Press play on tape" and forget about it. And that is why I will no doubt go for the 80gig iPod. Even though I think the dimensions are a bit odd ( too thin and the screen is too wide, it just doesn't work for me ), it will have the capacity and the ease of use I want.

teclo
13th November 2006, 08:01 AM
Just heard this morning that the Zune may not be out in the UK until 2008.

If you ask me it will be a pointless release if they do release it then.

Ben
13th November 2006, 01:32 PM
Yeah, I think they want to release it at the same time as the music store which will lag behind the US launch date. The few aspects of the Zune that are technologically superior to the current iPods (if you call having WiFi superior) surely wont be by the time it makes it to our shores.

I think the challenge to iPod dominance is minimal, but MS do have a good track record on the hardware side and depending what tricks they decide to use in Vista to drive Zune uptake there's still a chance this'll get bloody.

Ben
16th November 2006, 09:38 AM
These guys just crack me up.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/11/16/zune_vista_incompatible/


Zune, the new digital music player from Microsoft, is not compatible with the software giant's new Vista operating system.

Buried in the Zune website, Microsoft admits that the player is not compatible with Vista and gives no information as to when it will introduce a patch or update enabling the player to do so.
Shouldn't this product, which is obviously so important to Microsoft's strategy, have been built around Vista? Even if it's totally XP-centric, how can it not work in Vista anyway? I mean, it's basically rehashed XPee with OS X visuals.

Hands0n
16th November 2006, 09:41 PM
So, are we to take it that M$ have completely lost the plot? Anyone buying a Zune is committing an act of utter folly!